Mouth Shut : Hyderabad is part of Telangana
The decision of Rosaiah government to write to the centre seeking a Constitutional amendment notifying Hyderabad city as part of Telangana and not a free zone has started to send jitters along the spine for some Seemandhra leaders and especially Lagadapati.
He seems to have been banking heavily on the delay in T-formation and the Srikrishna Committee, to propell his real estate interests. This has come across as a jolt since people will now say if the government can go to the extent of passing a resolution inspite of the supreme court order to make Hyderabad part of Telangana, we can easily foresee formation of Telangana in the near future.
People have started to believe the fact that formation of Telangana is inevitable. Its only that Congress is trying to buy time to claim the credit. It is already sending signals to its Seemandhra leaders that they should be ready for it. Starting from Botsa’s support for formation of Telangana to the recent free zone issue, things have all been in favor of Telangana.
Whats interesting is that, leaders of all parties were unanimous that the relevant paragraph of the Presidential Order relating to jobs for locals in Hyderabad should be amended to set aside the court order.
Telanganaforever
Mar 18, 2010 @ 04:20:15
Where is the anger from Seemandhra people. They are NOT eligible to work in their own SO CALLED "CAPITAL". At least now think! think! think!. Don't YOU deserve your own CAPITAL where you can go and work.
Jai Telangana
Jai Andhra
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 05:44:24
All, this is the tactic of Congress party since the day one of their reach to power. They always used 'issues' and kept them 'alive' to use them time to time. Be it Muslim personal law, or Urdu or reservations of SC and ST or Hajj related matters or the so called free zones normally the policy of congress is 'short term'. They never try to find permanent solutions for how big the problem it may be. The Muslim reservation 5yrs in power YSR govt. could have passed the bill in state assembly easily but no they made ppl 'satisfied' with a GO which has been challenged and the verdict is out now, they r again trying this is the 6th yr in power. The issue is still 'ON' and will be used for future elections even but without permanent solution. The free zone is the same, they want to keep the issue 'alive' and paly with the sentiment of ppl and use the issue whenever needed. The resolution in assembly will be another ploy to lure T ppl in their favour. God knows when we can really get rid of such regimes and parties. Jai Telangana.
bapineedu
Mar 18, 2010 @ 10:25:18
Even adilabad,karimnagar,warangal and khammam people won't get jobs in Hyderabad.
Telanganavaallu vaalla kantini vaalley poduchukuntunnaru. Good luck.
Intact it is more advantage to andhraa people settled in Hyderabad.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 13:17:14
@Telanganaforever
SA people domicile of Hyd are eligible for govt jobs. only new comers will not be eligible.
so its not a walk over for T people as they imagine.
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 14:08:56
I agree with Tforever. History repeats itself. first as tragedy. This time it would be farce.
Prakash
Mar 18, 2010 @ 14:17:31
Imaginary situation. Please note I used @!#@ myself, not edited by Administrator.
Year: 1953, place: Madras
Seemandhra political “dealers” (SPD): We are xx lacs in Madras city. Without us, the city is nothing. We developed the city with our hardwork, initiative & entrepreneurial skills.
TN people (TNP): No one is asking you to leave. You are welcome to stay as long as you want.
SPD: No, we want Madras city as our capital. Madras manade!
TNP: You cunning @!#@, we will not give a single square inch of our great city (4th in India).
Year: 2009, place: Hyderabad
Author’s note: Madras is still 4th in India & growing faster than Calcutta
Seemandhra political “dealers” (SPD): We are xx lacs in Hyderabad city. Without us, the city is nothing. We developed the city with our hardwork, initiative & entrepreneurial skills.
Telangana people (TGP): No one is asking you to leave. You are welcome to stay as long as you want.
SPD: No, we want Hyderabad city as our capital. Hyderabad hamara hai! (in funny accent that Hindiwallas can’t understand)
TGP: You cunning @!#@, we will not give a single square inch of our great city (5th in India before you came, now 6th in India).
Telanganaforever
Mar 18, 2010 @ 14:40:18
In the long run Andhra needs its own CAPITAL. How long they live like this? Common folks in Andhra feel the same way. It is Political Elite (political, business, media) from SA who wants to live like Leeches clinging to the HYDERABAD.
SRI4TG
Mar 18, 2010 @ 15:31:44
Those who argue to keep the state capital as a free zone, can fight for shifting capital from Hyderabad to either Vijayawada or Vishakhapattanam and make that district as a free zone if they have guts, and if they are not greedy and biased.
SRI4TG
Mar 18, 2010 @ 15:41:41
@ bapinidu
Adilabad,Karimnagar,Warangal and Khammam people can get the jobs in their respective zone.
Hyderabad is part and parcel of the sixth zone of Telangana.
We all very well know, how many jobs belongs to Telanganites are robbed by people from Seemandhra by producing fake mulki certificates.
Now the 13 districts of Seemandhra leaders are trying to divide the Telanganites in the name of jobs and rob the Telanganites jobs in Hyderabad district by keeping it as a free zone.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 15:42:00
@sr14tg
dont count your chickens before they are hatched.
first of all let the assy pass the resolution and let it go to centre.
then sa ppl will think what to do.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 16:06:53
@sr14tg
the supreme court in all its wisdom decided to enforce the basic norms of the constituition ie equality of status and opportunity to all.pls refer the keshavnanda bharati case for further knowldege on the subject.
politicians cannot tinker with the constituition to pamper their constituents.
dont blame sa ppl for this.
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 16:29:18
@DF, seems u don't live on this earth, dear the constitution is not a holy book which cannot be amended, indeed it had been amended several times know the history. The recent Women's bill is also an amendment to the constitution don't u even know this?
SRI4TG
Mar 18, 2010 @ 16:29:56
@deefeye
What do you mean.
You want to maintain your supremacy and privacy in your house and bed room, but you expect your neighbours house and bed room should be a free zone / public property for all.
Today you grab Hyd by making it as a free zone and tomarrow you plan big to make whole Telangana as your colony.
Instead of living as parasites on Hyderabad / Telangana, why don't you people have your own capital city in Seemandhra and as a free zone.
I mean to say, eat your own food, from your own plate financed from your own pocket.
Is not it's a gentlemen way of living.
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 16:37:24
All my T brothers,
I pray to the almighty that to make your wishes horses so that you can fly. Do you think SAs would allow any such motion to pass? In division voting, the motion will be defeated. Even if the motion is carried, SAs would stop it in Delhi. Hyderabad rightfully belongs to AP and not Telangana alone.
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 16:40:45
Syed, Indeed constitution is a holy book. You cannot alter its basic structure. Is it possible to make an amendment changing the status of Muslims as second class citizens? It is not because it is against basic principle of the constitution ( secular). Similarly nullifying this judgement via amendment is not possible because it is against the principle of equality. The only thing that can be done is to reserve 15% of seats to locals which is justified. But making Hyderabad as a colony of Telangana is not allowed
Telanganite
Mar 18, 2010 @ 17:10:57
Intaga kotlaatalu jarugutuunte inka samaykyandhra ane prashna mee burralalo etla vastondo naaku aithe ardham kaavatle…
May be you people cannot understand english or telugu… any way no Hindi…
Jai Telangana…
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 17:25:42
@K, we all know u r not a Khan from now I will call u 'K'. Dear Holy Books cannot be amended if it is amendd it is not Holy. The constitution is made for the society and can be amended and it had been amended several and will continue to be as and when required. Rgardless of religion every amendment is possible in the manmade law which is basically written to facilitate and administer the soceity / country. Nepal's communist govt. is changing the status from Hindu Kingdom to a secular country vice versa Indian govt. also can change the status.
Pls.note my comments r neither justifying nor recommending for change of current status I am only referring about the possibilities.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 17:45:11
@syed
i am apalled at your replies sometimes. i know you are well read and well informed as compared to others in this forum , and thats why i am surprised.
the constituition can be amended but not in all cases and certainly not on its basic tenets.
how can you compare the womans reservation bill with the free zone amendment.
both are fundamentallly different.
i suggest you read the keshavnanda bharati case for a better understanding.
Raju_New
Mar 18, 2010 @ 17:55:03
Hyderabad can't compared with Warangal, Vizag or Bezawada simply because of the abundance of the oppurtunities available due to the Capital city status. So not to be unfair to the local people, the government can go with a reduced percentage to locals rather than 80-20 ratio in case of Hyderabad. Please dont tie everything to Telangana.
Telangana is a wish, and lets keep it a wish..
Dont mismanage and misalign everything from suicides, ordinary deaths, accidents, jobs, movies, supreme court ruling , free zone, recession, YSR's death, floods etc to this agitation.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 17:57:10
@sr14tg
what supremacy and inferiority are you talking about ??
if you feel people of a region are inferior analyse constructively why they are so. lack of application, hard work, resources and try to remedy that.
dont try it the easy way by trying to snatch away that which is not yours and is someone elses by dint of hard work and dedication. a mistake by a few people and politicians do not make the people of an entire region wrong.
look 610 go website and you will exactly how many jobs are at stake in this controversy.
blaming this for all the ills of a region is idioticity.
dont
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:03:32
veellu anthey df,
anni kattina nizam ki ghori kadathamannaru
develop chesina SA ni go back antaru
thoo, vella notla mannu bada
SRI4TG
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:03:54
@ deefeye
OK, we read keshavananda bharati cases, but you also refer back how many times constitution has been ammended just to appease a section of the people.
When it serves your requirements and comes to your benefits you are not bothered about the basic principles of the constitution and ammended it outrightly.
But at present in our case, it is justified. Otherwise you should agree to make Vijayawada, Vishakapattanam and Kurnool also as free zones to compensate our loss.
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:06:17
@DF, what is constitution? And for whom? These r the two bases on which the whole structure of our country's laws rely. If we go in to basics the constitution is written by a committee which was headed by BRAmbedkar, that never means the committee wrote a FULL and COMPLETE constitution hence lots of amendments took place and will continue to take place. Don't forget the constitution is made to facilitiate the day to day administration of the country and life of the citizen nothing else and it can be changed whenever required. The courts functions within the constitution not out of the constitution the supreme is the parliament, and parliament has the right and power to amend change everything.
SRI4TG
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:08:22
@ deefeye
Except the truth and facts, your comments got abundant of every thing else.
You people will never change as such traits are there in your genes itself.
A man eater cannot become a vegetarian.
Similarly we cannot expect parasites to survive independently without depending on others flesh.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:25:19
@syed
holy books cannot be amended but they can be interpreted differently. thats why there is so much of strife in this world now.
constituition cannot be amended easily and cannot be misinterpreted also.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:36:23
@syed
its not as simple or as plumb as you make it to be.
thats why the supreme court gave the judgement in the keshavnanda bharati case.
they know parliament is full of jokers who will tinker with the law and the constituition to keep their electoral chances alive.
i am sorry but the supreme court will prevail in the end as it has done so several times.
if parliament were supreme indian democracy would not have been as strong as it is now , considering the quality of people elected .
can you imagine what riot of damage a few parliamentarians like kcr, koda, modi, cbn , jayalalitha, mamata , subramaniam swamy, mulayam singh, mayawati etc can do to destabilise and weaken the country for their selfish and narrow goals.
Prakash
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:38:18
I am apaled at the way "intellectuals" are quoting the Bharti case. The case lays down that the "basic structure" of the constituition can not be amended.
While "basic structure" has not been defined, there is a broad consensus among most jurists that this includes fundamental rights (e.g. freedm of speech), equality before law (including secularism) & parliamentary federal structure.
Items like domicile requirement (e.g. mulki rules), six point formula, reservation of jobs, restrictions on land use/sale are perfectly constituitional if enacted by a due process.
The constituition is not gospel & has been amended several times.
The courts can not make a law, they can also interpret law or strke down laws passed without due process or constituitional sanction.
Some seemandhras are claiming the Supreme Court has declared Hyderabad as a free zone. This is absolute nonsense. The court has merely upheld some police appointments on the strength of the Presidential Order. The "free zone" covers only secretariat jobs & police jobs in Hyderabad.
Some people are claiming the PO can only be changed by amending the constituition. This is not required as the PO is merely an executive order. No assembly or parliament resolution is required either.
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:39:00
Whatever Ts do, constitution cannot be amended at will. We are not Saudi Arabia where one family defines the policy not we are China where the party does it. We are not even Pakistan, where Army interferes when some thing goes wrong. We are a democracy where the government is subjected to push and pulls of different groups and only consensus can bring about any change in constitution. The key is consensus. Let us have consensus first.
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:39:54
@DF, my only point was constitution can be amended thats all, yes u r absolutely correct the interpretation is altered by many vested interest ppl for Holy books and almost everybook and statement, but this is part of life we have to live with it. BTW, this is all done in the name of freedom of speech and democracy that's the misery.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:40:45
@sr14tg
i never said the constituition can never be amended or it has never been in the past. but the basic tenets of the constituition as laid in the above case cannot be amended.
reg making other cities a free zone , its a very fair and equitable request and i am for it.
in fact the entire state should be a free zone where selection is on merit and transparent.
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:47:23
@K, This is the proof that, we don't support anybody blindly whatever wrong done by Nizam it was expressed as the fury of ppl. don't SA developed T and we want SA to leave T this is absolutely wrong and nonsense. Those living here will continue to live as the whole world witnessing ppl from all over India r coming everyday and living in T without any problem, we want our state to b separated that's is the truth.
Telanganaforever
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:48:19
"History repeats itself"
Jai Andhra Movement
In a surprise turn of events, in October 1972, the Supreme Court validated the implementation of Mulki Rules.link While the invalidation of GO based on Mulki Rules in 69 was on the basis of fundamental rights, this validation of Mulki Rules was done as a part of respecting the laws of the land created before independence. This left Kosta and Rayalaseema people "feel like second class citizens in their own state capital"
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 18:53:55
@prakash
another half baked analysis from you.
While “basic structure” has not been defined, there is a broad consensus among most jurists that this includes fundamental rights (e.g. freedm of speech), equality before law (including secularism) & parliamentary federal structure.pls also note equal opportunity and status is also defined as a basic fundamental right in the constituition.
thats why the hyd free zone order was struck down by the supreme court. the order when available will be most interesting.
it seems you have more wisdom than the state assy who are debating and adjourning the house trying to pass a resolution .
any you say a house resolution is not required.
Prakash
Mar 18, 2010 @ 19:06:36
Friends, let us be careful to avoid religion. Already there are guys who write anything that comes to their mind but when we criticize their posts, they say "you are abusing my religion"
ansar ahmed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 19:26:45
Dear Khan,
You are not a true muslim; formation of telangana is good for muslims; Hyderabad people are very good; they love guests; they are not like mumbai people; instead of crying to make hyderabad a free zone if you guts try to make mumbai as free zone bal thackery will definitely kick you. if you make mumbai a free zone you will have blessings of Allah.
deefeye
Mar 18, 2010 @ 19:39:48
@prakash
you can use the same imagination for cities like coimbatore, salem and bangalore which have sizeable andhra population and they are affluent.
T people keep imagining while sa ppl work hard and consolidate their position where ever they are in india or abroad.
khan
Mar 18, 2010 @ 19:43:37
Prakash, the fundamental difference is that now it is Ts who want to have a state not like As. So you have get a new capital
AbdulMuqtadir Syed
Mar 18, 2010 @ 19:47:38
@T4E, Brother I read somewhere that Daggubati VRao had bought hundreds of acres of land in Guntur as that could be their capital city after the bifurcation and he has information from his wife and minister Purandhareshwari. As we know the SAs r very clever and cunning they may have started bldg. the infrastructure even better than any other city of India, we should expect this. Guntur and VW of Guntur and Vishakhapattanam (the plan is to have 2 capital cities with winter and regular or summer and regular session of assembly). Let us wait and see.
SRI4TG
Dec 18, 2010 @ 20:15:55
Recently central home minister Chidambaram clearly stated that, every one who came to work in Delhi including him are migrants. Hence, this applies to all MP’s, central ministers as well as the PM also.
Delhi is the capital for India, whereas Hyderabad is the capital for AP.
Why is it wrong, if we apply the same rule and principle for the MLA’s, MP’s, ministers, Chief Ministers, government & private employees, film industry, drugs & real estate mafia, media & other business house staff, common people & students from SeemAndhra, who came to Hyderabad, call as migrants / settlers. In what way they have any right to claim Hyderabad as UT or separate state for them by separating / breaking it from the middle part of Telangana region.
By migrating to Telangana / Hyderabad they got flourished / developed at the cost of depriving such opportunities to many native people of this region.
In fact we Telanganites own / have right to claim royalty from those migrants / settlers, but not to forego / loose our age old capital city Hyderabad at any cost.
Hyderabad as UT or separate state to exclusively benefit those migrants / settlers cannot be justified under any law / principle.
Thomassheep
Dec 18, 2010 @ 23:42:20
There is no question as such UT to HYD. If there is any, that must have been there just for the mental satisfaction SAs and SA imperialists who still want to exploit Telangana. That (UT to HYD) notion is created and speculated by some disgruntled elements of SA or SA media, attempts to create hurdles to Telangana formation., nothing more than that. A lame excuse.
Jai TELANGANA